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Post by hyperwildboarcreep on Sept 20, 2010 20:14:09 GMT -5
Any idea's, or favorites of anybody ?
I try the hip-heist/dwl sweep with limited success.
I also try to stand up with a wizzer with limited success as well. The person playing in my front body scissor's usally pin my opposite wizzer, or underhook leg and prevent me from hip heisting out.
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Post by KJ Gould on Sept 21, 2010 6:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by hyperwildboarcreep on Sept 23, 2010 22:04:08 GMT -5
Actually worked these two today...I must say...I LIKE ! ! ! !
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Post by KJ Gould on Sept 24, 2010 11:26:06 GMT -5
That's great man. I really like the stuff Hatmaker has. Plus knowing that Kris Iatskevich recommends him (they're both part of the ISWA) and Paulson acknowledges him in his Rough & Tumble book is good to know as well.
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Post by hyperwildboarcreep on Sept 24, 2010 12:00:35 GMT -5
That's great man. I really like the stuff Hatmaker has. Plus knowing that Kris Iatskevich recommends him (they're both part of the ISWA) and Paulson acknowledges him in his Rough & Tumble book is good to know as well. I must confess the first piece of instructional literature I ever purchased was a Mark Hatmaker book. If that guy could help a slob like me in the MMA/Grappling world he could help anybody. I allways like Hatmaker, that dude is legit. Also, what does Paulson say about Hatmaker in "Rough and Tumble"
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Post by KJ Gould on Sept 24, 2010 14:00:32 GMT -5
It's just a paragraph in the last section of the book called "New Leaders of the Old School". I won't write it all out, but here's some of it:
"Another man that is carrying on the tradition of American Submission Wrestling is Mark Hatmaker ... For his creation of the Extreme Self Protection system and his knowledge and incorporation of American Submission Wrestling techniques we consider Mark Hatmaker a new leader of the old school".
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Post by jaxx on Oct 11, 2010 14:11:47 GMT -5
I got Hatmaker's 'Clean Sweeps' and 'Busting the legs'. They are great instructionals, dunno why he gets a rough ride from the BJJ crowd.
I like to combine the sit out shown with an attempted guillotine, Dennis Kang shows it in his 'my MMA' dvd. Can also use a TWL instead.
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Post by warcatch on Oct 12, 2010 16:30:48 GMT -5
that video is fucking awesome.
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Post by bluen on Oct 18, 2010 14:07:49 GMT -5
Any idea's, or favorites of anybody ? I try the hip-heist/dwl sweep with limited success. I love the hip heist / dwl sweep to standup combo. The same hip movement can be done with just a post on their neck/shoulder junction, shoulder, or head. Here's Frank Mir on something along the same lines: Guess he learned from the Brock fights. Dude, that's called a triangle choke if it is what I think it is. The biggest thing I've found is to make them think about something other than holding you down. Pull them down and attack with DWL's, armbars, triangles, until they make space to defend and then post on them to keep them away and get your hips back under you.
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Post by KJ Gould on Oct 18, 2010 17:15:03 GMT -5
Right, just remember nobody can defend everything at once. We think of submission chains / lockflows in Catch, have a similar mindset to mix in with escapes. Go for an attack and anticipate a typical response and then react to that to get out.
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Post by ekaye on Jan 24, 2011 18:52:34 GMT -5
Hip heist escape is one of the staples. Tony Cecchine teaches it a little differently than what Hatmaker shows in that vid. The ride from the bottom is done differently which creates an angle between you and the opponent. Makes getting the leg through easier IMO. No arms in the way.
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Post by magnifico on Jan 24, 2011 20:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by victorparlati on Jan 24, 2011 23:30:59 GMT -5
On all of these escapes by Mark and Tony, what if the guy on top starts to grab the leg of the bottom man that's trying to come out? What's to stop him from doing that? By wrapping his arm around the upper leg near the thigh once he senses that the escape might be coming. I've worked with these escapes - but if he wraps the leg you're in a whole new situation.
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Post by KJ Gould on Jan 25, 2011 5:38:47 GMT -5
Sure when he has one leg (with one arm since the other is whizzered) there are some things you can do. Lets say he typically get the leg farthest from the whizzer. Hip out as you would try normally while maintaining whizzer pressure and throw your whizzer side leg over as if going for a coil lock / omoplata in an attempt to flatten him down. Usually instinctively he'll let go to support himsef from going to the ground, but even if he doesn't but the shin of the free leg on the back of his head and work for a modified bellydown straight armlock (armbar). If you can't get leverage because for whatever reason your trapped leg is still straight and flattened you can attempt a headscissor. If you don't like the coil lock type option you can hip out and whizzer enough to get on top of his back and attempt a switch or switch like setup for something else on your free leg's side. If he has your right leg, use your right arm to get under his right leg and flip him back or combine with your left leg inside for en elevator and make it a power switch. As I mentioned earlier in the thread the guy can't attack and defend everything at once. if he commits to holding that leg he opens himself up to something else
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Post by jaxx on Jan 25, 2011 6:39:16 GMT -5
Dennis Kang's solution was to go for a guillotine immediately if someone grabs the leg. Most people would instinctively defend their neck by releasing your leg to relieve pressure on the choke/crank, allowing the escape to contine.
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