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Post by KJ Gould on Sept 7, 2010 6:45:36 GMT -5
www.nycatch.com/Tuesdays and Thursdays, 6 - 7:30 pm. About Alex: I have been involved with wrestling since I was 5 years old. I have competed at the NCAA Division I Level while as a member of the West Point Wrestling Team as well as competing internationally with the All Army Wrestling Team. I am excited about studying and learning more about Catch Wrestling and passing on our proud heritage.
For questions or comments please contact me at: Information(@)NYCatch.com.
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Post by hyperwildboarcreep on Sept 7, 2010 14:08:28 GMT -5
it sucks that he's 2 hours away, would love to train with as many catch wrestlers as possible : (
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Post by KJ Gould on Sept 7, 2010 15:49:45 GMT -5
Ah right, I didn't know where in NY he was.
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Post by medullapancreas on Jun 3, 2011 1:59:55 GMT -5
$300 for a one month pass to Long Island (according to LIRR website). And that's just for transportation out there for a month. Not exactly inexpensive even for NYC residence.  Once again, CACC is hard to "catch" in New York City.  Wish Billy and Inoki franchise a UWF Snake Pit in the states? Preferably in the heart of NYC (West Coast has all the major MMA Toe-Hold Clubs as it is)? |
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Post by resutudo on Jun 4, 2011 9:02:07 GMT -5
Inoki lives by the United Nations (at least I know he did in the mid 2000s) so I do not know why he would not open a gym to take more money and scout for prospective gaijin tarento. I mean he is always scheming. Why not do one which he has some expertise in? That said, would you really want to train with the Predator Sylvester Terkey, Kazunari Murakami, Eric Hammer, and Kendo Kashin? Then again Inoki's Genome Federation has UWF-Snakepit true borns such as Hideki Suzuki and Akira Jo working for them.
Frank Shamrock also moved to NYC to Fight for MMA, the campaign. Has he retired from coaching (actually according to his site he only does privates and seminars now but I mean here is another guy who can make more money)?
BTW Has anyone messaged magnifico and wildboarcreep about the group they wanted to form?
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Post by medullapancreas on Jun 6, 2011 0:33:40 GMT -5
We should put a call out to Inoki. And New York is such a big ripe market now with all the MMA blue balls, what are they thinking! I hear Renzo charges 200+ a head at his NY academy and only shows up to teach when celebrity fighter's are in town. Sad that New York is being squandered by the CACC and UWF community. As for UWF Snake Pit: wasn't Kazushi Sakuraba trained at Snake Pit? I believe Robinson mentioned Sakuraba as a protege. Not to mention a Snake Pit in New York could easily bring in $200+ a head (at least) do to Billy's draw power amongst Catch enthusiasts in the States, especially on the east coast (see ScientificWrestling.com's geographical data - the majority of viewers are on the east coast.) And I bet most of those viewers are starving like me; in New York; for some legitimate CACC goodness. They can even bring in pro-wrestlers to train for an American UWF promotion as well. It's win win across the board. And the WWF (is it WWE now?) is right next store in the world famous Madison Square Guarden - home to some of the greatest sporting events and moments in history, from Karate, to Knicks Game 7, Rangers hockey, to Wrestle Manias, BROTHER! New York is an exploding market for MMA style CACC Wrestling. You can even bring in MMA's most under appreciated marketing middle man, and Catch emissary, Josh Barnett, to start diplomatic talks between UWF and WWE for a cross promotional event and future cross-marketing opportunities. All of it in the name of keeping Catch alive! Where are all the crazy dreamers and franchisers who want to see this manic vision come to fruition? Inoki lives by the United Nations |
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Post by KJ Gould on Jun 6, 2011 6:04:50 GMT -5
Billy's not going to move to new york if anyone is hoping for that. He's in Arkansas to be close to his son who I believe served in the US millitary, plus it's generally warmer in Arkansas. Because Billy was a pro wrestler he doesn't have a pension which is why he does the seminars and camps because that is his pension fund (as well as his dvds). So he does do a couple of seminars a year in New York I believe.
Also don't forget to get Kris Iatskevich down from Montreal for seminars, at least that's a short flight to new york.
It's a shame but Billy's two main assistant coaches are southern california based (and Harry Smith is still with WWE and is otherwise Florida based).
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Post by medullapancreas on Jun 6, 2011 20:20:26 GMT -5
You mention someone named Kris Iatskevich and a google search, to get more info about his seminars, returned some interesting results: www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93095&page=1and proteinwisdom.com/?p=16750Not sure what to believe but the article might have sparked the future of Catch As Catch Can Wrestling from the CSW camp? Dunno. Seems the unity of Catch is far more complicated than we realized. Seems there is a vast American Catch "Hooker" heritage that isn't part of the communities discussion. Interesting read. |
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Post by bluen on Jun 8, 2011 21:34:11 GMT -5
The guy who wrote all that is a shill for Cecchine and the single biggest source of intra-style strife for Catch Wrestling on the internet.
He had nothing to do with the truth coming out about Iatskevitch's lack of relation with the famous Judo/Sambist, and merely tried to take advantage of it to paint a "competitor" in a poor light. Kris Iatskevitch had already owned up to his mistake in a public statement on the US Sambo forum and admitted that he let people think that to latch on to the senior Iatskevitch's fame. It is not a small error of judgment, but it wouldn't stop me from training with him.
Iatskevitch has legitimate catch wrestling skill as learned from Edward Carpentier - who defeated the legendary Lou Thesz, the guy whose endorsement Cecchine zealots place so much weight upon.
American catch wrestlers very likely had their own special take on things, but to pretend that hooking was something unique to the United States is unsupported by current evidence. Cecchine's material is very good from what I've seen (LAOH, wristlock seminar), but so is that of other catch wrestlers like Fujiwara or Iatskevitch for that matter.
If it was clear that one guy had all the answers and advantages, we'd all ignore everyone else ;D
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Post by KJ Gould on Jun 16, 2011 17:25:38 GMT -5
You mention someone named Kris Iatskevich and a google search, to get more info about his seminars, returned some interesting results: www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93095&page=1and proteinwisdom.com/?p=16750Not sure what to believe but the article might have sparked the future of Catch As Catch Can Wrestling from the CSW camp? Dunno. Seems the unity of Catch is far more complicated than we realized. Seems there is a vast American Catch "Hooker" heritage that isn't part of the communities discussion. Interesting read. If you read beyond the first page on Bullshido, you'll see the Bullshido regulars end up ripping JeffG to shreds for being a cecchine apologist and learning catch wrestling via webcam. Say what you will about the certified catch wrestling thing scientific wrestling does, but at least that requires you to be there in person and get on the mat and you'll be with guys who have legit backgrounds in other arts such as Brandon Ruiz (Greco Roman, BJJ) Sam Kressin (BJJ) and former amateur wrestlers who were collegiate level or competed in the armed forces divisions. Plus it doesn't make you a catch wrestler, it just documents you've spent so many hours with direct instruction under Billy Robinson. That's it. |
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Post by medullapancreas on Jun 22, 2011 5:47:30 GMT -5
Was the match between Thesz and Carpentier legit? I agree Tony C's Lost Art of Hooking has some gems in it, so do a lot of Scientific Wrestling products. Both Josh Barnett (http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthread.php?43203-Josh-Barnett-vs-Eddie-Bravo-Debate-Catch-vs-BJJ) and Erik Paulson (in his book Rough & Tumble) appreciate Cecchine's contribution to Catch and both have working relations with Jake Shannon. So there is hope. And from what I've seen from Iatskevitch I wouldn't hesitate to attend one of his seminars. They could easily displace the Systema wasting space at Fighthouse. Heck, I'd learn Catch from a baseball catcher at this point! But not from Eddie Bravo: www.darkplanetcatchwrestling.com/ |
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Post by KJ Gould on Jun 23, 2011 10:31:14 GMT -5
No, not from Eddie. Though his first affiliate gym in the UK claims 10th planet is a mix of catch and BJJ. Maybe he's trying to get on the marketing wagon.
I've no idea about Thesz and Carpentier. I keep hearing it brought up and I keep thinking "Yeah, but wouldn't that be a worked Pro Wrestling match?"
I'd need a lot more details and time to research it.
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Post by cujo on Jul 10, 2011 4:43:06 GMT -5
I've trained directly with Kris, his knowledge and passion for CACC is off the charts, he is a genuine, sincere guy and an excellent coach.
I've spent 5 years doing BJJ directly under a legit black belt, I can personally assure you that Kris knows what he is doing on the mat!
If anyone has any doubts, just go and train with him, I traveled half way around the world to do so and it was worth every penny, I learned some excellent techniques and elevated my competitive grappling game considerably!
Who ever wrote that BS article needs their head straightened out, they obviously have no personal experience of Kris and have never locked up with him on the mat.
Whilst it is evident that he made a mistake, he has apologized for it, move on, we are all human after all, god knows i've made silly mistakes in my life, i'm just glad I have friends and family that don't spend all their time judging me on them!
If anyone has any doubts about his background, lineage, skills, etc. just ask him directly, I assure you he will be happy to set the record straight, Kris is an excellent coach and a great friend, I for one will be continuing to develop my wrestling skills under his guidance....
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Post by newyork on Dec 23, 2015 2:19:56 GMT -5
www.nycatch.com/Tuesdays and Thursdays, 6 - 7:30 pm. About Alex: I have been involved with wrestling since I was 5 years old. I have competed at the NCAA Division I Level while as a member of the West Point Wrestling Team as well as competing internationally with the All Army Wrestling Team. I am excited about studying and learning more about Catch Wrestling and passing on our proud heritage.
For questions or comments please contact me at: Information(@)NYCatch.com.
Last time I checked didn't he practice in bayshore or Sayville or something? im looking for some catch program do once a week if I have time between work and college would their be a way to get in contact with him or atleast find out where his gym operates |
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Post by evilzane on Jun 18, 2017 18:41:55 GMT -5
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Once again, CACC is hard to "catch" in New York City. 
