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Post by magnifico on Nov 30, 2011 22:16:34 GMT -5
There's a thread in the wrestling forum on MMA.tv asking about the credentials of Guy Chase, who claims to have been trained by the late Karl Gotch. Anybody ever heard of this guy? beantownfx.com/websites/guy_chase/arts.html
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Post by KJ Gould on Dec 1, 2011 19:56:39 GMT -5
I can find out REAL quick.
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Post by KJ Gould on Dec 2, 2011 9:11:33 GMT -5
OK, in a nutshell he spent 8 weeks in Florida and was shown very little by Gotch or his assistant coaches other than basic ground positions. He was not a live-in student during this time, and you're not going to master anything - even basics - in 8 weeks. The only live-in student Gotch had was Sayama and that was many years before.
Chase is apparently legit in his other arts and has put the time in, but 8 weeks learning just positions (and not necessarily with Gotch, as Gotch was mostly attending to his ill wife's needs) does not make you qualified to coach Catch let alone use Gotch's name to do so.
Please pass on this information to the MMA.tv boards so people don't get hoodwinked.
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Post by gabejutsu on Jan 15, 2012 21:36:26 GMT -5
Who did u find this out from? what I heard is that he spent 6 years living with Gotch..
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Post by KJ Gould on Jan 23, 2012 5:40:09 GMT -5
Who did u find this out from? what I heard is that he spent 6 years living with Gotch.. I found out from the executors of Gotch's estate - people who actually did know him and spend time with him. 6 years is completely false.
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Post by guychaseacademy on Feb 19, 2012 11:01:34 GMT -5
I rarely speak and never par take in these forums, I find them to be more social destructive then asset to any system. I have seen the articles, books and etc..which is promoted through you guys. Its truly amazing to me that many like yourself promote ego and your pocket books after someone like Karl Gotch has passed. I saw Karl Gotch wife daily and many times she was outside with us helping to cut the lawn, etc..in full health, she was not sick at all. I never once saw you guys there at all. But you must have been a ghost or came to the scene many years later? Either way your presents was not there until after Karl death. But I will leave you with a statement a great man left me perhaps you can find some room in that self promotion mind of yours? "Walk in the middle of the road where many rarely walk and people on the left and right will discard you but you will be abe to see both sides of the ignorance clearly and have walk the path of the truth where many rarely walk"!
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Post by KJ Gould on Feb 20, 2012 10:54:07 GMT -5
None of the executors post here, and no one here is officially affiliated with them. From talking to them their position is not to use Gotch's name to further a business when he's no longer here to defend himself, and who Gotch actually endorsed is a matter of record.
I can tell you right now how much money I personally have made with this main website: £4.17p from Google Ads. The domain name and webspace renewal per year is around £30 off the top of my head. I set up the site and continue to pay for it because I enjoy the aspects of Catch whether it's history, or philosophy or whatever and want to share that with anyone willing to afford their time to read or watch (and I know I've not updated since September, but those are my issues).
In my opinion your comment is typical of someone wanting to distract and try to cast the light on someone else. You have a right to defend your name, but so far you've offered little to adequately do so.
If you have an issue, take it up with Gotch's executors. I'm sure they'd be willing to meet you head on if you feel like throwing down a gauntlet.
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Post by Tom Puckett on Feb 20, 2012 17:45:45 GMT -5
Guy Chase bunked on the floor in my flat by Malenko's wrestling gym in Tampa, Florida for 8 weeks. During that time I took him with me over to Karl's before I went to fight Suzuki in PANCRASE in the mid 90's. Guy helped do some work around Karl's house and the yard as his wife was sick with bone marrow cancer. It was in remission during the time Guy was there and as a result am sure that he did not know the severity of said condition. I know this for a fact. I helped move her on to a hospital bed we brought to the house to make her more comfortable while hospice treated her. She lost about 50 lbs before she died and suffered terribly. How dare anyone minimize such a tragic event.
At one point Guy and I were friends which is why he was sleeping on the floor in my flat . I introduced him to Karl because I thought it would be an opportunity he would respect and honor. I was wrong. We are not friends now. Karl had a basic conditioning indoctrination that he required before he would teach anything of substance. 500 squats, 250 pushups, 10 handstand pushups, 10 chinups, 10 dips, 3 minute front and back bridge and 100 situps. Additionally, he wanted you to be able to do the rope climbs, muscle ups in the rings, and the full bridging gymnastic. If Chase doesn't have you doing the entire minimum before showing anything he is not beginning to honor Karl's wishes and this incomplete component was all he had the experience to show.
There are several witnesses to what Chase did sparring wise in Tampa. Two Japanese(one PRIDE vet) fellows and another former MMA guy from Tampa who fought in Japan and in the states extensively. All I ever showed Guy were the 15 ground control positions that Karl showed as precursors to his submission series. I was told explicitly by Karl not to show anything unless he could do the minimum which at the time he could not. He could do the squats and the bridge but did not do the pushups. I had to leave the house in Tampa because Chase was not supposed to be there. I know Chase spoke to Karl off and on the phone after he left but he never came back to Tampa. I moved into another house with a pro-Wrestler in Largo and continued to visit Karl daily until I went to train out in Colorado Springs at the NJI with Nationally ranked Judoka. Karl's wife died about 3 weeks after I got to Colorado of the sickness that has been dismissed. In the 8 weeks, that Chase was there Karl showed conditioning stuff mostly and Chase served as uke for me. We sparred twice in those 8 weeks, not to his advantage. Whatever he learned in that capacity is what he learned in that 8 weeks. I was down there myself for about two years and still don't think I am qualified to teach anything, how someone could be there for 8 weeks and create curriculum is beyond me.I saw Gotch everyday, went to visit him about 2-3 times a year and called him at least twice a week until he went into the hospital and couldn't talk anymore.
I tried to get him to move up here with me after his wife passed but he decided against it in the end to be buried with his wife at the home they shared. Chase was not there when he went in the hospital or for the week and then some before he finally made the trek to Valhalla. I know this for a fact as well because I was there beside him. There were only three of us there when the ashes of Karl and his wife were mixed and laid to rest and once again there was no Chase anywhere. I know this because I was there as well. I could go into length about what Gotch thought explicitly about the vast majority of people that came through or tried to ride his back but prefer to put an end to this crap here and now. Use your own skills and name to advance yourself and stop trying to hop on the legacy of someone great under the notion that you might be great by association. You are not. Sad to lose a friend to vanity and watch that vanity dishonor the memory of a great man who was a real friend. Not much honor in disrespecting a real catch legend by selling a substandard product that couldn't possibly be up to Karl's standards. Those who suffer are going to be those who at some point go "this doesn't work" because it has be explained incorrectly. There are no words for the level of my disappointment in the character being displayed here. God help anyone who does this crap.
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Post by Tom Puckett on Feb 20, 2012 21:12:34 GMT -5
Finally, "Gotchism" isn't style that Karl ever endorsed. "Gotchisms" were words of wisdom from the old man like "The truth only hurts a fool and the world is full of fools" or "You can't make whipped cream out of shit". As it pertains to this discussion, Karl taught Catch as Catch Can and that is what he called it, nothing else. Using a word with his name in it to suggest endorsement or that it was a style they concocted together is false. Teach Catchwrestling and call it that, it is broad enough topic that various grappling skill sets could be included without offense let your success be measured by the skills of your students or your own personal sparring success. Karl hated people using his name because he was worried it wouldn't measure up to his exacting standard and it was.
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Post by iwitness on Jun 7, 2012 17:44:33 GMT -5
I have known Guy Chase for nearly 20 years, and I remember very well when he went to Florida. The one thing that you can count on with Guy, is his willingness to lie if he thinks it will help him. He was only in Florida for a very short time. When he came back, he simply said he had trained with Karl Gotch. As time went by, his time spent with Mr Gotch became longer and longer. After Mr. Gotch passed away is when he started telling people that he has studied for years with him, and that Mr. Gotch had passed down his system to him. Guy learned some submission wrestling when he was at the Inosanto Academy, but got most of his moves from DVDs. Even his so called "legit" credentials are exagerated
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Post by tehAdmin on Jun 13, 2012 21:46:26 GMT -5
It may be necessary to take this to bullshido guys. They are the ones who keep track of frauds and such.
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Post by KJ Gould on Jun 29, 2012 10:56:59 GMT -5
It may be necessary to take this to bullshido guys. They are the ones who keep track of frauds and such. I think they tend to be more interested in outing BJJ fakes, and maybe challenging TMA guys.
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