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Post by KJ Gould on May 28, 2011 19:09:12 GMT -5
So I'm watching some of his videos from Snap no Tap for the first time, some of which looks alright and some I'm not so sure on, but it feels like every five minutes he stops to have a bitch about "those so called catch wrestlers ripping off my videos, not doing it right" and "those fake pro wrestlers and their bullshit" (saying he won't name any names in the process etc) and it just takes away from any good thing he's teaching imo.
It's like dude, seriously, fill in that chip on both shoulders and quit being so antagonistic. If you're not going to name names, just shut up already about it. Stick to "this is how I do it and why I think it's the most effective way" focusing on the actual technique and not why everyone else is "doing it wrong".
Am I right? ;D
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Post by bluen on Jun 8, 2011 12:42:12 GMT -5
This is precisely why I didn't get SNT, despite owning LAOH. LAOH was bad enough with "this is how the jiu-jitsu guys do it". The previews of SNT just completely turned me off of it.
Cecchine has great stuff (though I hate his version of the DWL throw) but he really needs to just focus on a positive presentation of what he has to offer.
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Post by muhammad on Jun 9, 2011 11:56:40 GMT -5
honestly i am afraid to purchase any of his material after watching a video of him being tutored by billy wicks.really awkward.
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Post by KJ Gould on Jun 16, 2011 17:11:09 GMT -5
honestly i am afraid to purchase any of his material after watching a video of him being tutored by billy wicks.really awkward. Cecchine was new to those kind of leg rides. I've not watched the video recently but it was a Ball & Chain ride / Ankle ride, right? He does show a good ability to ride from Head & Arm position as seen in LAOH, and his side control / cross body ride is ok but nothing revolutionary (if you want the top technical quality on riding and pinning I'd look elsewhere). I'd argue Cecchine has learned more about the actual wrestling side of things since LAOH than before it. Otherwise the most value he brings is on the finishing holds ... but I guess that's why it was called the Lost Art of Hooking and not the Lost Art of Catch Wrestling.  The other issue I have is trying to market it like the Traditional Martial Arts do and that's "This is for the street! It's too dangerous for sport! Learn to kill a man in a single blow!" even if in the material he points out the importance of strength & conditioning as well as non-compliant sparring. This type of marketing is problematic to say the least as the majority of TMA's that do this are shown to be scams or complete fantasy make believe in effectiveness and Cecchine has allowed himself to be tangled up in that. As a result his Double Trouble tape where he shows ways of adapting Catch for Gi based BJJ ends up being the most authentic from a presentation and marketing stand point and does actually paint Cecchine in a better light. This is what I would personally suggest to address cerain issues with Cecchine 1) You catch more flies with honey. You don't have to be conceited, but the patronising negative bullshit has to stop. Nobody likes or listens to a curmudgeon. 2) Your way is not the only way. Catch Wrestlers have different approaches but are still successful at what they do. Lou Thesz was not a carbon copy of Ed Lewis or George Tragos, Frank Gotch was not a carbon copy of Farmer Burns, John Pesek was not a carbon copy of Joe Stecher and so on and so forth. It's the same in BJJ where Marcelo Garcia does not grapple the same way as Pablo Popovitch who does not grapple the same way as Roger Gracie or Robert Drysdale. With this in mind as well as point no#1 approach it as "this is the way I prefer to do such and such" or "I've found this to be a better and more efficient way et cetera". 3) People care more about what you have to offer as a teacher or coach, and not about how you may or may not have been slighted and who may or may not have slighted you. Let your 'art' speak for itself. 4) Do a better job of promoting your students especially those who compete. It's great that you coach high school wrestling, let us know which students are doing well in state tournaments and so on. Also let us know of guys competing in NAGA, Grapplers Quest and beyond. I've seen some of your supporters comment on youtube videos of guys trained under Karl Gotch (for example) who lose a submission or MMA match and make snarky comments, but at least they competed and at least people can see it. Post video of your students win or lose and they'll get respect from me for actually going out there and getting on the mat. |
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Post by muhammad on Jun 18, 2011 13:57:32 GMT -5
well said KJ. there are plenty of mud slinging out there in the internets...haha.. one or two things must have influenced me.
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Post by KJ Gould on Jul 8, 2011 15:52:55 GMT -5
OK, I don't think much of this series really. The boxing aspect is bad, and the clinch aspect is awful. You get all the info you need out of the standing DWL and Front Chokes from what's on youtube and similarly the stuff on the ground. Having watched this and then watching the CSW products (Erik Paulson, Greg Nelson) that covers stuff like clinch and ground control the difference is night and day. LAOH had more to offer imo.
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Post by magnifico on Jul 13, 2011 16:07:43 GMT -5
To be fair to Cecchine, "Snap No Tap" was supposed to be more self defense/reality oriented than LAOH. Its not designed to be a sport competition set
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