bluen
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Post by bluen on Dec 4, 2010 21:16:08 GMT -5
I've noticed that a lot of catch wrestling material seems to emphasize takedowns other than the single leg and double leg so common in amateur wrestling. I'm sure part of it is just emphasizing the differences to increase interest in their customers/audience, but it also seems there is a genuine deemphasis of low shots for the legs.
Is this due to the increased dangers of being caught under a sprawl in catch? No restrictions on neck cranks, etc? Or some other reason?
I've always emphasized throws and upper body takedowns over leg shots myself, partly because I didn't wrestle at all until college and I've done Judo for a long while, and partly because I have really bad knees thanks to doing judo for a long while ;D. The satisfaction of a big throw also can't be replicated by a simple easy takedown IMO. Regardless, a lot of the standing techniques I've seen from Billy Robinson and Kris Iatskevitch really make sense to me and I've definitely come to favor them.
What do you guys favor for your standing wrestling? What fits with your strategy? And does that strategy change depending on the rules of the competition?
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Post by KJ Gould on Dec 5, 2010 13:30:27 GMT -5
A lot of people shoot in from too far away, even good amateur wrestlers. With corect posture and penetration a sprawl isn't too much of an issue, unless you don't know what to do other than hold on to a leg for dear life as I've seen happen again and again.
Similar to Judo and its Kazushi, throws from clinch can be high percentage if you know how to offbalance and know the angles to hit a throw and pivot from. There's a lot of crossover where a Seoinage is similar to a Flying Mare, and an Osutogari is similar to a schoolboy trip.
There's also what Greg Nelson calls Tar Training, and that is it might not be best to do a takedown that could rough you up on the street. He recounted once a story about his college roomate coming back from a party wearing shorts, sandles and a shirt getting jumped and double legging the attackers only to have busted up toes and knees form the paving!
I still think low shots and doubles and singles hae value, but perhaps more so from a clinch position to start with like a Russian 2-on-1 tie. Makes it easier to change angle and catch them off guard too where as the standard shot is somewhat telegraphed especially without a good level change.
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Post by wrestle2submission on Dec 18, 2010 18:17:12 GMT -5
Clinch all the way. I use my greco/judo/Sambo. I'm twice the age of the guys I train with. The closer I am to them, the less they can use their youthful attributes. I can control a lot better when I have a hold on him.
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jaxx
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Post by jaxx on Jan 4, 2011 9:09:49 GMT -5
I prefer standing takedowns as well. As mentioned above, i dont want to give up position for the sake of a takedown. Having a 'street ready' approach to takedown is a good idea and my knees will thank me when im older. Too many low shots and 'drop' varients of Judo throws take there toll IMHO.
I am 100% prepared to give up position for a submission however so flying armbars/triangles, rolling kneebars etc are part of my game. It might sound like a contradiction but im up for the risk to get a finish.
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Post by muhammad on Jan 15, 2011 21:33:44 GMT -5
i do find the double leg and osoto gari very efficient, i do not train wrestling per se..
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